Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/05/Category:Na h-Eileanan Siar

Category:Na h-Eileanan Siar

This seems to be synonymous with Category:Outer Hebrides, Na h-Eileanan an Iar is the name that the English based Ordnance Survey uses for the council area (but Outer Hebrides for the archipelago). If this is kept then it should be moved to Category:Na h-Eileanan an Iar (council area). I would note that we have Category:Architecture of Na h-Eileanan Siar and Category:Architecture of the Outer Hebrides (of which the latter isn't a sub category of the former). Similarly we have Category:Civil parishes in the Outer Hebrides (of which is more likely to be associated with the council area rather than archipelago. In the case of Category:Orkney Islands and Category:Shetland Islands the archipelagos and council areas share a category and appear also to be concurrent although Category:Island of Stroma is in Category:Uninhabited islands of the Orkney Islands because "because it is commonly associated with them" (according to the description). Even though its in Caithness, Highland. Note that Category:Inner Hebrides isn't the same since that's in both Argyll and Bute and Highland council areas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I doubt we have many files specific to the council area qua political entity, and I'd be quite happy to have Category:Outer Hebrides as the top category and only retain Category:Na h-Eileanan Siar if it would ever have any content. Rodhullandemu (talk) 09:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I suppose File:Western Isles Council Flag.svg would be one and any category (such as the CP CAT or Category:Maps of the Outer Hebrides, in particular File:ScotlandEileanSiar.png) but since those categories already exist using "Outer Hebrides" (as opposed to Na h-Eileanan Siar) then it seems best to follow the category tree. However if Na h-Eileanan Siar/Na h-Eileanan an Iar is the English name for the council area (as opposed to archipelago) then maybe those that deal primarily (or exclusively) with the administrative division should use Na h-Eileanan Siar/Na h-Eileanan an Iar even if Category:Na h-Eileanan Siar/Category:Na h-Eileanan an Iar redirect to Category:Outer Hebrides. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:44, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

stale discussion. @Crouch, Swale@Rodhullandemu: what is the situation here? Eg enwiki en:Na h-Eileanan Siar is redirected to Outer Hebrides Estopedist1 (talk) 12:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Its unopposed and the author seems to suggest they are happy with the merge though I'm not sure what they mean by "if it would ever have any content". Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to start moving/merging them per above. I have updated {{Council areas of Scotland}} but we may need to verify its OK along with Orkney and Shetland since oddly Orkney Islands doesn't include "the" in the 1st section of the template but Scottish Borders and Shetland Islands do. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

And {{Outer Hebrides year}}. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I've tried to fix the 1st one to what I can but its worth checking along with the others than use "the" before closing. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

• Weak oppose, need some clarification. This is a reminder why we shouldn't do redirects and change until we have an admin close things. Rodhullandemu, the categories within Category:Na h-Eileanan Siar by year are referring to the council area. Crouch, Swale, as I understand it, then you would want all that moved to, say, Category:Na h-Eileanan an Iar (council area) by year and up to Category:Na h-Eileanan an Iar (council area) as a separate tree? Right now, it's a mix of both. Else, why not keep Na h-Eileanan an Iar for the council area (which seems closer to its use) with Outer Hebribes for the actual archipelago? I see that Highland similarly doesn't have a resolution but at least it is separate at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

  @Ricky81682: As was noted above the discussion was stale and no one had objected on over 2 and a half years. The archipelago and council area are the same just like Category:Orkney Islands and Category:Shetland Islands so we probably don't need a separate category for the council area. Just like Orkney and Shetland we should have 1 combined category with the Outer Hebrides/Na h-Eileanan an Iar. With Highland the area is different to the council area, see File:Scottish Highlands and Lowlands.png v File:Highland UK location map.svg. With the Highland CFD the discussion there is only about the title, no one there has suggested merging. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I favour leaving as is. Na h-Eileanan Siar redirecting to Outer Hebrides. Broichmore (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)