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Sakkara (novel) and The New Heroes
Hiya! I just noticed your tag on Sakkara (novel) that said: "This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are not sufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources." I'm really sorry if this is the wrong place to ask you, but I'm new to this. Can I ask what aspects the article needs further citation on? Is it that ISBNs aren't sufficient for novels, or that it needs sources for the award? (While I'm here, has the article The New Heroes improved any? I spent some time cleaning it up and none of the tags have altered.) Thanks, Fabrictramp! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unlimitedemotionsofwonder (talk • contribs) 23:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- This is a perfectly fine place to ask. :)
- On the Sakkara (novel) article, the ISBN number just confirms the existence of the novel, but not the notability. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria has some good information on what makes a book notable enough for inclusion; sources that show the book meets these standards are what the article is currently lacking.
- On The New Heroes, the article now looks pretty well wikified, so I've removed that tag. It still has the same primary sources and notability issues as Sakkara (novel). (Which isn't making a judgement on whether they are or aren't notable, just that the articles need sources showing that they are.
- Hope that helps!--Fabrictramp (talk) 00:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks very much! I'll try to figure out how this all works as I go along... Is the link I added to the Sakkara page the kind of thing you mean by citation? Is the fact that the series is series is read by big-name authors a sign of notability if it's shown by third-party sources? Does New Heroes still read like an advertisement?
- Real sorry about the questions... You know how us fangirls can be! And thanks again!
- Unlimitedemotionsofwonder (talk) 01:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Don't be sorry for asking questions to help improve an article. That's what it's all about. :)
- The link you added to the Sakkara (novel) page is a good citation, and it's a start for showing notability, but doesn't get us all the way there. (It would be enough if it had won the award because that would meet #2 in Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria, but just getting nominated isn't enough). The series being read by big-name authors [1] isn't enough, but the reviews posted on that page can get you there if you can add citations to the original reviews. (See #1 in Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria. Kirkus Reviews might be a place to start -- if they have a substantial review, that would be enough.
- As to the advert tag on The New Heroes, you might ask the editor who placed it there. They may have had something specific in mind that I'm not seeing.--Fabrictramp (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks again. I'll track down some substantial original reviews and any awards... It did read like a an advertisement before I edited it-- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_New_Heroes&diff=181085634&oldid=180324731 --but I figured checking with an editor rather than just removing it was the way to go. Would lead stories on FractalMatter magazine count? Just from memory... Unlimitedemotionsofwonder (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- It certainly wouldn't hurt. :) --Fabrictramp (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Question!
Hi, how are you? I came upon this article: Independent goods. I saw you had worked on it so I thought maybe you could explain this to me: Does the lead sentence make sense to you? What is "nor"? Or is it supposed to be "or" instead of "nor"? I didn't want to attempt a correction just in case I changed the meaning somehow. Any explanation would be appreciated! Thank you and my apologies if this request is time wasting. But thank you! ScarianCall me Pat 10:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's never a waste of time to ask someone about improving an article. The worst that can happen is they scratch their head and say "I don't have a clue!" *grin*
- The lead sentence does make sense to me, but it's pretty clunky and could stand a rewrite. I think "nor" is correct because of the "neither" earlier in the sentence, but I'm not a grammar expert by any means.--Fabrictramp (talk) 14:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- It confused me because I've never read "nor" like that before (Rhyme Time!). Only in this context: e.g. "It was neither one nor the other." But that sentence isn't written like that. Also the word "things" in the sentence isn't terribly encyclopaedic and could stand to be more specific. I'll take a solid look at it and try and make sense of it. Thanks for your time, friend! ScarianCall me Pat 14:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Note - I added in commas to make it more readable. I knew it was something simple like that! Thanks for your time! ScarianCall me Pat 14:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, those two commas help quite a bit. Thanks for helping to improve the 'pedia! --Fabrictramp (talk) 14:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Just dropping you a line to let you know that I've rewritten Severna Park Mall per your AfD discussion. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the work! See the comment I added at the AfD about the sources.--Fabrictramp (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Adding articles to my AFD nomination
I'll go along with it this time, but in the future you should at minimum ask if your going to do that, as this was my nomination and I may not have agreed with it, so good job, but next time just start a new one :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it annoyed you. I've had any number of people add articles to my AfD noms without asking, so I assumed it was okay. --Fabrictramp (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Took care of it. Thanks. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. --Fabrictramp (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Dark Tranquillity demos/EPs
It looks like you want a couple individual sites (which will undoubtedly take some time) so I searched awhile and I found one webzine that talks about them a little to the point that I can verify some information. I'm not so sure if the site is ok but I'm hoping it is so that these articles will see the light of day. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 03:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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Why did you delete Dolls Place article?
I went to update the page that I created and I see that you may have deleted it. YFTS (talk) 18:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Back on November 1, I deleted the article Dolls Place due to an expired prod. At that time, the article consisted of a single sentence that did not assert any notability.
- On November 2, another user recreated Dolls Place as a redirect to Doll's Place. I have not edited, deleted (or, until just now) even seen that article. A request for speedy deletion was placed by User:Cumulus Clouds on December 18, and the article was deleted by User:Keilana that same day. You might ask either of them about the deletion, as it appears to me that there were some (weak) assertions of notability, and I would have declined the speedy request. --Fabrictramp (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Dead-end pages update
Good to see another batch incoming!
would you mind just for the record placing a note on the talk page saying which database dump you generated this from, and if there's anything special we should know about it? (if there's "nothing special", that's nice to know too...) --Alvestrand (talk) 04:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Blackbelt1959 (talk) 05:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Will do. --Fabrictramp (talk) 16:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Why have you flagged Steve Vandergriff for deletion?
We haven't quite got the hang of wikipedia yet, so the page about Steve is a work in progress. But he has written books that have sold over 1 million copies worldwide and his television work on live sports is seen worldwide too. What do we need to do to fix the entry?
- The article as it stands doesn't meet Wikipedia:BIO#Basic_criteria. The links to creativecow, and mobygames are not independent sources. The link to Hawaii Ace League is only a passing mention of Steve Vandergriff, as is the link to allgame and nationmaster. Can you find some reliable, independent sources to add? If you can, that would show this subject is notable. Thanks!--Fabrictramp (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. The Mobygames link is an independent game magazine site that shows credits of the many books/games Steve is attributed as working on. The article is certainly a work in progress though. We are in the process of obtaining additional info about his network television directing and any new writing credits. We also have a couple of photos but don't know how to add them yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbelt1959 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing up what Mobygames is -- I do see now that it's an independent source, but it's also just a passing mention. --Fabrictramp (talk) 15:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
AWB bug
Is there a bug in the AWB? I reverted a recent edit of Physically Unclonable Function because, although that edit improved parts of the article, that edit also deleted one paragraph and replaced it with an exact duplicate of the previous paragraph. I'm sure you agree that there is no need for this encyclopedia article to have 2 consecutive identical paragraphs. --68.0.124.33 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Keith Carlock page
Can you point me to the archived discussion that led to the deletion of the Keith Carlock article?
While he may not be very well known to the general public, he is extremely well known in the drumming community in North America and Europe -- amongst high school students and professional musicians alike -- for his approach to the instrument and the music he has made on that instrument with prominent "underground" guitarists such as New York's Wayne Krantz.
Please respond on my talk page. Unit1835 (talk) 05:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- I prefer to keep a discussion all on one page for clarity.
- There was no discussion to delete the page; this was a prod, which is when someone proposes a deletion they believe will not be controversial. The reason given was "Non-notable session musician as per WP:MUSIC. He may have played with some notable acts, but none of it has generated any third-party coverage of the sort that would establish notability. Only source for any of this is his own website." Since no one objected in the five day time frame, I deleted the article.
- If you have questions about the reason, you might want to contact the editor who proposed the deletion. Or, you could simply recreate the article, but if it was recreated exactly as it was it would be subject to deletion again, for the same reason.
- I would recommend that you read WP:BIO and Wikipedia:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles carefully, and find sources that support his notability. The music community is very good about writing volumes about people it believes are notable, even if they aren't known to the general public, so if he is notable sources should be out there. If you need some hints about where to look, the folks over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music should be able to give you some suggestions. Hope that helps a bit. --Fabrictramp (talk) 14:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I have reviewed the notability page, the section in particular that states as follows:
For composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists: Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. Has written musical theatre of some sort (includes musicals, operas, etc) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run as such things are judged in their particular situation and time. Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria. Has written a song or composition which has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers. Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria. Appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on his or her genre of music.
In the case of Keith Carlock, the following suggests that he is 'notable':
First, see Modern Drummer, which states that "Each year Modern Drummer publishes its annual reader poll of the year's best performers in a variety of categories such as jazz, funk, rock and Latin. This poll is widely regarded as the most significant form of recognition within the drumming/percussion community."
Carlock placed 3rd in the "Best All Around Drummer" category in the 2007 Modern Drummer poll and 2nd in the "Best All Around Drummer" category in 2006. This reflects the significant recognition Carlock has achieved within the drumming/percussion community.
Further sources on Keith Carlock confirm his reputation within that community:
Keith Carlock update in Modern Drummer magazine, online: http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001158 Includes: “Since his arrival in New York City from Clinton via North Texas State University, Keith Carlock has scurried up the drumming food chain with an inventive style that is equal parts Zigaboo Modeliste fire, Jon Christensen finesse, and Bernard Purdie funk. Tried in the fusion flame of the groundbreaking Wayne Krantz Trio, Carlock has held court for six years with the trio at New York's premier jazz dump, Christopher Street's 55 Bar.”
Interview reproduced from April 2007 Clarion Ledger: http://www.keithcarlock.com/pressClarionMS2007.htm
Feature story and interview: http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=1389
Review of Steely Dan concert, in the Guardian Unlimited (July 10, 2007): http://music.guardian.co.uk/live/story/0,,2122710,00.html Includes: “They are driven along by the relentless energy of drummer Keith Carlock - like Buddy Rich, Keith Moon and Clyde Stubblefield rolled into one lethal package.”
Review of Wayne Krantz show, in the Guardian Unlimited (June 4, 2002): http://arts.guardian.co.uk/reviews/story/0,,766397,00.html Includes: “It always helps to have a good band, and in bassist Tim Lefebvre and drummer Keith Carlock, Krantz is blessed with a rhythm section of devastating power and technical precision. Lefebvre played like a man who had left virtuosity back in the playground, while Carlock combined the polyrhythmic thunder of Elvin Jones with John Bonham's concrete-booted funk. The three musicians maintained a shifting interplay of ideas, the drums and bass often taking the lead while Krantz contented himself with making impressionistic smudges of noise.”
Review of a Wayne Krantz show, in the Guardian Unlimited (March 8, 2000): http://arts.guardian.co.uk/reviews/story/0,,700156,00.html Includes: “Carlock is a formidable percussionist of restless intensity who brings a jolting subversiveness of accent and timing to the rigid familiarities of funk drumming.”
Review of Donald Fagen Band show, in the New York Times (March 9, 2006): http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/arts/music/09fage.html?scp=9&sq=carlock Includes: “The drummer, Keith Carlock, and the bassist, Freddie Washington, provided a funky undercurrent, though Mr. Carlock's astonishing fills caused some gasps from the audience.”
All About Jazz profile of the band “Rudder” http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=15590 Includes: “Keith Carlock (drums) is quickly becoming one of the most well-known and emulated drummers on the planet. Early on, Keith and Tim formed the backbone that led to some new directions in the trio of guitarist Wayne Krantz. It wasn't long before Keith was heard by others and quickly became the drummer for the Blues Brothers. Shortly after that he was sought out to follow in the footsteps of Peter Erskine and other greats to sit at the drum chair of Steely Dan. Immediately following his first extended tour with Steely Dan, Keith was on the road for a two-year tour with Sting.”
All About Jazz review of Donald Fagen’s “Morph the Cat” http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/review_print.php?id=22330 Includes: “Carlock, one of contemporary jazz’s most versatile drummers…”
Unit1835 (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you care to recreate the article using some of these sources, then by all means go for it. --Fabrictramp (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks Fabrictramp for take a look to Royalist, spanish:"Realistas". I try to give a little explanation with numbers, links and graphics and a few words about the defenders of the king of Spain during Hispanoamerican War of Independence. Maybe could be useful categorize in South American wars of independence but I do not know how. Thanks for your help. --Resvoluci (talk) 20:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I do think this is patent nonsense -- obviously, a Greek word for "sun" doesn't start with "sun". I've deleted again -- hope you don't mind. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that it needs to go, but I still don't think it meets the definition (I see it as falling squarely into hoax, just not a good one). However, it's a case of poTAYto - poTAHto, and I won't get my nose out of joint over it. :) --Fabrictramp (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi ! You seem to work on Wikipedia:Dead-end pages, so I contact you. I was wondering why deleted pages are not displayed with red links on Special:Deadendpages ? For example it's the case on Special:Shortpages. Have you an idea ? Please answer on my french talk page --Pok148 (talk) 11:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- It's too early in the morning here for me to answer in understandable French. :)
- In the English wikipedia, the page Special:Dead-end pages has not been updated since December 28, 2006. I have no idea why deleted pages aren't showing up as redlinks there. Perhaps because updates to the page are disabled? I hope that helps. (if you have more questions, please let me know on my English talk page[2]) - Fabrictramp
- on the french wiki the page is updated every 2 or 3 days. I have created a bug in bugzilla and actually this issue has already been raised. bugzilla:11400--Pok148 (talk) 22:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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