Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Next Serbian parliamentary election

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. Article also moved to Serbian parliamentary election, 2014 (non-admin closure) Ansh6 6 6 19:57, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Next Serbian parliamentary election

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This article doesn't say anything. And predictions of the future aren't what wikipedia does (per: WP:NOT/WP:CRYSTALBALL) ColonelHenry (talk) 06:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator per comments below and work by User:Neutron.[1]--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep We have articles on future elections for most countries on the planet - see for example Category:2015 elections, Category:2016 elections and most of the articles in Category:2014 elections. WP:CRYSTAL has been misinterpreted - if there is evidence in reliable sources that an event will occur, then there is no problem with writing an article about it. Number 5 7 07:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:CRYSTAL which states "1.Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
obvious merge to elections in Serbia Hard to choose between WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL on this one. "Next" gets dated and these "next" elections, if not accelerated, are two years off. Also, the articles in the categories mentioned are not beyond challenge. At any rate there's nothing in this which shouldn't already be being said in the main article, if at all. Mangoe (talk) 10:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible keep According to all media reports and party announcements, early parliamentary election in Serbia will be held on March 16. Not only this article should be keep, but it also should be renamed to Serbian parliamentary election, 2014. --Sundostund (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- As far as I can tell, there are a lot of calls for early elections, but as yet they have not been officially called. Number 57 12:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I agree with you, definitely. It is not the same to have calls for early elections, and officially called elections. But, according to all facts, this early elections will be officially called on January 29 and held on March 16. Even if this article is deleted, it will need to be rewritten just a few days later as Serbian parliamentary election, 2014. --Sundostund (talk) 13:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Strongest possible response Well, not really, but it's blinkin' obvious that if elections are called for this year, we'll be writing the article you describe. And if not, then there's no article to write at all. This is precisely why we have the two guidelines I cited. Mangoe (talk) 14:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Strongest possible link to Serb Ruling Parties Call for Early Elections on March 16 (Bloomberg) and Largest Party in Serbian Government Calls for Elections (Wall Street Journal). No such user (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have just updated the article, including today's announcement by the incumbent prime minister that he is joining in the call for early elections. Since the decision to have an election on March 16 apparently needs to be made by the end of January, it seems likely that the outcome will be known before the date this AfD is eligible to be closed. If next Monday arrives and no election has been called, this article should be deleted but some of the contents should be merged into the article on the current government (if there is one.) If an election is called, this AfD should be closed and the article moved to Serbian parliamentary election, 2014. Neutron (talk) 19:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Why should it be deleted? We have Next Danish general election, Next United Kingdom general election etc? Number 5 7 18:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not keen on those either, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid argument here. Mangoe (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS though. If we have future election articles for almost every country, it's perfectly reasonable to say that there is no reason why the Serbian one should be singled out for deletion. You earlier cited WP:CRYSTAL as a reason for deleting the article, yet the guideline states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". A national election in Serbia is clearly notable, and barring some freak return to dictatorship, it's going to happen. Number 5 7 20:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that consistency is a good thing, and I think "OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" is way overused in AfD discussions, but that doesn't mean the "Next ... election" titles are good ones. However, it will probably not be necessary to decide that issue for this article, as the steps necessary to schedule an election in March seem to be proceeding along quickly. To the editor who closes this, although I know we don't "count votes" here, I just want to make clear that my "Comment" should not be "counted" as a "Delete". Neutron (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The title is in its current form because of Wikipedia:NC-GAL#Elections and referendums, which specifies that if a future election's date is unknown (not all countries have fixed-term legislatures), then it is to use the prefix "next". Number 5 7 22:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, guys, its official now - Serbia's president calls parliamentary election for March 16 (Reuters) and Serbian president dissolves parliament, calls early election for March 16 (Fox News). --Sundostund (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the article with these sources. I think it is time to move the article, but Wikipedia:Guide to deletion suggests that this should not occur while the AfD is still pending. Additionally, since Serbian parliamentary election, 2014 already exists as a redirect, I believe it would take an administrator to move the article to that location, and I am not one of those. User:ColonelHenry, would it be possible for you to withdraw this nomination so the article can be moved by an admin? Neutron (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, withdrawn as stated above, per this request.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Ok, so now what is the best way to get an admin's attention to close this AfD as "Withdrawn", and more importantly, to move the article to Serbian parliamentary election, 2014 over the redirect? Should it be posted on WP:AN? Somewhere else? Neutron (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the article. It didn't take admin powers. Number 5 7 23:24, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have "only" been an editor for eight years, maybe eventually I will learn something about how this place works. The next issue is the AfD tag, which says it is not supposed to be removed until the AfD is closed. This AfD has been "withdrawn", but someone still has to come along and "close" it, right? Neutron (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: seriously, is this even a discussion? Seriously guys? Seriously? Even if a date is not set there should be a page. Case in point: [2] the next canadian elections, or [3] the next US elections, and countless others. The point of arguing is it 2014 or not is a completely missed point as there are going to be elections in the future, hence "next" elections. Oh, here, check this out too, about Norway [4]. (Lilicneiu (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

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