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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 02:51, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ata Inia

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Article fails WP:GNG. Side not, a few of the so called references state that he is a professional footballer, which is not the case and as such are unreliable.Simione001 (talk) 02:22, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since it was closed as 'no consensus to delete', it's considered acceptable for this to be reopened again for a 2nd AfD. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - clearly passes GNG, with multiple independent sources. And that's all that needs to be said. if you don't think they're important enough as a footballer, then feel free to remove them from WP:FOOTBALL.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the sources are not routine transfer news, primary sources or a Q&A interviews and contain background info on him and other editors and I disagree with your opinion that the many sources do not provide IRS SIGCOV, as shown in the keep votes above. It's fine, we can agree to disagree. This article has been nominated for deletion before and the article was kept. Young, clearly significant figure in Tongan football who has received a lot of coverage (maybe the most ever for a Tongan player) with ongoing career abroad. He is the first and only pro Tongan footballer ever to play abroad as well. Lastly, he clearly meets WP:SPORTSBASIC. On top of that, besides the many sources already in the article, there are definitely Thai and Khmer sources about him not in the article as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz Here is a list of sources, kindly point me to the significant ones. [1] has a few lines of prose but then again it seems to use his Linkedin page as a source so independence and reliability is highly questionable. (Inia started playing for Melbourne Knights FC in February 2018, according to his LinkedIn profile.) [2] is a trivial mention, [3] mentions him once in a list of players, [4] is a routine match report, [5] is a blog, [6] is a routine transfer story that mostly consists of quotes from his coach, [7] trivially mentions him once, [8] is a routine match report, [9] is a list of game results, [10] is a picture on Facebook, Clearance Records_1.pdf is a list of players who received clearance for the 2022 season by Football Victoria, [11] another players list from Football Victora, this time of goalscorers, [12] is a Q&A interview with very little prose, [13] is a report on an interview on an apparent blogsite run by a single individual. This source may or may not be a significant one, however it is locked beyond a paywall. The WP:BURDEN of proof in that matter, and any claimes that WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, lies with the ones who want to claim it is significant. Alvaldi (talk) 16:43, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to editors: This editor is just spamming Google refs, as the comment "This source may or may not be a significant one, however it is locked beyond a paywall." shows. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'  // Timothy :: talk  22:28, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. BEFORE showed promos, database records, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Article refs are typical of those above, as Alvaldi shows they are just spam refs, there is nothing that meets IS RS SIGCOV. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  22:17, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -

Many of the sources are clearly not promos or database records and contain background info on him and other editors and I disagree with your opinion that the many sources do not provide IRS SIGCOV, as shown in the keep votes above. Also, Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of knowledge, and this article is a "yes" to Wikipedia:The one question. Inia is clearly a topic of interest, and has received unprecedented coverage for any Tongan footballer ever, being the first professional Tongan footballer and first to play abroad. He is the topic of many other sources, which combined, make for a decent sized article, and the page has been expanded since it was nominated for deletion the first time (even then, the page was kept). As one user stated in another deletion discussion, "expansion... renders the above WP:WIKILAWYERING a moot point". As the closer of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okilani Tinilau (2nd nomination) stated, which can also apply to here, "there is certainly no question... the subject of this article is not... one of the leading athletes in the history of his country. As a project, we must have some sensitivity to the fact that there will be subjects from minority groups in smaller countries for whom sources in English will be sparse or less accessible than for subjects in large English-speaking countries". Lastly, the closer should keep in mind the numerous keep votes in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AJ Inia which vastly outnumbered the delete ones, the only delete vote then came from Alvadi, who voted delete here again as well). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:41, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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