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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
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Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

August 20

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August 20, 2024 (2024-08-20) (Tuesday)

August 19

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August 19, 2024 (2024-08-19) (Monday)

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Superyacht sinks

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Article: Bayesian (yacht) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The superyacht Bayesian is sunk in a storm and the missing passengers include tycoon Mike Lynch (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

RD: Phil Donahue

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Article: Phil Donahue (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News (USA)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American talk show personality. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a couple of cn tags, The Phil Donahue Show section does not have a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 15:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to citation needed tags. Suonii180 (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Donahue reinvented the talk show format and brought the concept up a level or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 18

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2024 Tour de France Femmes

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Article: 2024 Tour de France Femmes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Kasia Niewiadoma wins the Tour de France Femmes. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC Le Monde
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Article updated

RD: Franciszek Smuda

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Article: Franciszek Smuda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF-WP (in Polish)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/blurb: Alain Delon

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Article: Alain Delon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeistertalk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not the criteria, and never have been. You are actively misleading other users by continuing to claim that they are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb—To the best of my recollection, I haven't heard of Alain Delon before. However, I am sufficiently convinced of his status as a culturally significant figure in the history of cinema. His article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and illustrates just how iconic he was in a career that spanned several decades. Kurtis (talk) 08:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Revisiting my support, I don't think I gave the article a thorough enough review. I don't think it's too far off from being of high enough quality to be featured on the main page. All it needs is a few more citations in the paragraphs where they're lacking. Kurtis (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems to be significant figure, but I doubt he's as noteworthy today to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is one of rare cases where the article showed influence abd transformative criteria even before death of the person. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Notability is not temporary. This is frankly an absurd objection. Most celebrities die decades after their prime. Many young people will not even remember them. So what? Fame and influence remain. FWIW, he's well-known in Germany, too, probably in all of Europe and beyond, not only among cineasts. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Picture A famous face for which we have a good selection of free images. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not a fan of the idea of picture RDs, but you're begging the question. "This is how we've always done it" is an argument for when there's no other argument. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb. Definitely one of the most famous French actors in history, but just doesn't rise to the Thatcher/Mandela standards we should keep blurbs to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but otherwise Support blurb. This is an example of what we should be looking for to demonstrate a major figure - a very in-depth legacy section (all sourced) that makes it clear to the reader why he was considered as such. No question on thus meriting a blurb. However, there are paragraphs in both the earlier career and sections and in the personal life section (including some of the legal aspects) that are unsourced, and must be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 12:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb, oppose RD on quality While certainly a renowned French artist but in my opinion he does not have enough caliber to have a blurb. RD cannot be posted right now because some section including Honours one needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How does he have not enough caliber to ha e a blurb if there is transformative and influence section?
    Why was Billy Mays posted? BilboBeggins (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BilboBeggins, First of all, I think you meant Willie Mays. FYI, I actually opposed his nomination. I believe that most of the things mention in the influence section are just comments made by some famous persons in some interviews and majority of things in that section are trivial and the whole section seems to be blown a little out of proportions. I am actually very much against the blurb death of a non head of state, Unless they die in a unnatural way. And before you bring out Betty White or Tony Bennett like in other comments made by you, I wasn't active in the ITN section at that time otherwise I would have opposed those too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 08:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be disagreeing with that Varoon2542 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's how RD blurbs work, it's generally based on opinion. WP:ITNRDBLURB and all. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The deaths of sufficiently notable people are notable, and that's why we have both RD and (occasionally) death blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb there really needs to be more clear-cut/explicit criteria for what is appropriate to be blurbed, which is why I am staying neutral on the blurb. As far as I've seen, nobody has a good argument for why Willie Mays or Tony Bennett or Betty White's deaths were appropriate to be blurbed but Delon's death isn't, when the circumstances are more or less the same (old celebrity dies of poor health). Article quality is fine, except for the family section - one more statement needs to be cited, and the quality of the other sources is poor. For instance, geneanet is user-aggregated and thus shouldn't be used as a source of info. (To be honest I would just remove the family section entirely.) When those issues are fixed, it will be good to post as RD. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There needs to be a request for comment about this topic, because at this point it doesn't seem that there's a rationale for blurbing someone's death other than "We blurbed x so why not y". A consensus would be good. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • More than 15 paragraphs that lack a single reference, and lots of other unreferenced material. Stephen 22:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Neutral on a blurb if we can get the article up to scratch. He was one of the top actors in France, but the community has turned down giants in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bibliography comment Alain Delon § Bibliography is not the usual list of works by the subject. It's an extensive listing about the subject. Disucssion at Talk:Alain Delon § Bibliography. Missing ISBNs too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WILL EVERYONE STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER PLEASE!! Thank you, anyways here’s a solution for now: put him in the RD we debate a little more for blurb. relax and stop attacking each other agressively Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose blurb Articles and discussions like this sometimes make me feel like I just intersected with a parallel universe or another planet. How could I, considering myself to be a reasonably well-informed individual, have missed being aware of someone who is apparently so prominent? It's nice to have Wikipedia to remind me that there is a world outside of my own country (the United States), and sometimes a global culture is not so global. We may be entirely ignorant of many of each others' celebrities, for example. Although my experience may not be representative of that of others, with one or two exceptions, I was not aware of Delon nor his films.

I believe global notability, at least within the English-speaking world, ought to be a prerequisite for inclusion as a blurb in the English language Wikipedia. Since that threshold is arbitrary, however, this forum provides a good test for determining global notability. I have no issue with entertainers being included if they are determined to have sufficient notability. As one test, one could compare him with others born in the same year. Among Delon's peers who were born in 1935, I believe Elvis Presley, Luciano Pavorotti, Julie Andrews and Woody Allen are some of the most notable entertainers who would reach that threshold. Despite some impressive achievements in French cinema, I don't believe Alain Delon passes the threshold of global notability in the English-speaking world for inclusion as a blurb.Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. This is Wikipedia in English, not Wikipedia about people who speak English. There is not, and never should be, any requirement that our subjects be especially famous in the English-speaking world rather than any other language sphere. Your own admitted ignorance of French cinema is a sign that you are being parochial, not that Alain Delon was not famous. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is why notability is pretty relative and depends on cultural context, and why one person's judgement isn't enough to establish global notability. As a French person myself, I see Alain Delon as a defining figure of French cinema and assumed he would be much more well-known internationally than he might actually be. On the other hand, I haven't heard as much about the achievements of Pavorotti or Andrews, and would have underestimated their notability compared to Delon's. This kind of notability depends a lot on the cultural sphere one lives in, which means hearing from editors with various perspectives is great to see whether someone is truly globally notable.
Like Genevieve said, I don't think notability within the English-speaking world should be a prerequisite rather than global notability, but either way, it seems like Delon might just not be reaching that threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, he passes threshold of global notability.
Second, we don't require English a person to be famous in English speaking world in order to qualify for a blurb, this not in the rules.
Third, Delon has 120 Wikipedia articles in different languages, Pavarotti has 95 articles, Julie Andrews has 84 articles, Woody Allen has 109 articles. He surpasses them on the metric of number of articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎BilboBeggins (talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality for now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb democracy manifest guy had considerably more press vs this dude, and he didn't even get a RD mention. Also, orange tagged, so oppose RD until the typical prominent actor dies citing concerns are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apples and oranges. Some ordinary dude who came under spotlight after being arrested by Australian police vs an actor with a 70-year film career, culminated in multiple domestic and foreign awards. C'mon... Brandmeistertalk 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, several parts of the article have sourcing issues. Suonii180 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality grounds, currently still has a big tag on the top. No comment in relation to blurb or RD but leaning against blurbing if it gets sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if every celebrity with an "influence" and "recognition by peers" section in their article is inherently notable enough to merit a blurb, then we should be auto-blurbing basically every major dead actor or singer. Instead, we gauge notability by coverage in the press and while there is some coverage, it does not rise beyond the standard level of obituary coverage expected of a celebrity. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Isn't it what exactly took place with Sydney Poitier and Betty White ?
    How is Betty White notable ? Noone actually knows her outside of the US
    For years, notability has been determined on one criteria, "who Wikipedia editors know" and that usually depends on geography and age
    I'm sure older Americans have heard of him
    We are pretending to be impartial when we've never been
    If Alain Delon, doesn't even get an RD by now, no french actor will ever be seen as deserving one Varoon2542 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stats As we have the usual impasse at ITN, it is instructive to see what our readers are choosing. We find that:
  1. Alain Delon was the top read article on Wikipedia yesterday with about double the readership of the closest competition – Alien: Romulus
  2. Most of the ITN blurb articles do not have significant readership -- they are at the 10K level which is effectively the baseline for ITN. The only exception is Paetongtarn Shinawatra who got about 80K but that's still an order of magnitude less than Delon.
So, it's apparent that ITN is quite out of touch with the general readership. Our readers really don't care what stale stuff we run and just vote with their feet.
Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 17

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RD: Silvio Santos

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Article: Silvio Santos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
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Article updated
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Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor

  • Conditional oppose: I have no doubt he is a major figure in the country as both an entrepreneur and a television presenter, but the article on EN needs work (Portuguese Wikipedia has a more substantive article we could translate from. This one is not as complete and even cites YouTube in places). ViperSnake151  Talk  00:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have just translated the Death of Silvio Santos page, going on the background, announcement, and reactions in Brazil and worldwide. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Black Caviar

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Article: Black Caviar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Sydney Morning Herald
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest

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Article: 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A rape and murder incident prompts protests across India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, doctors go on strike and nationwide protests occur after the rape and murder of a woman physician in Kolkata.
News source(s): News [3][4][5]
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Nominator's comments: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[6][7] [8][9][10][11][12] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also you can't call WP:SNOW on the 1st comment Abcmaxx (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By that logic, George Floyd's murder wouldn't make it to ITN. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has come a long way since, I do think its in a decent (not great) place for posting Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[13][14] [15][16][17][18][19] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. I was gonna the same the same to the first comment above. Brutal as a rape is, they're not so unusual in the country.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Need to sort out which article is. the Alt that is not "incident" is best.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Altblurb The incident have received widespread international coverage. The news about it has been featured on the multiple international newspaper's front page. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb, really terrible news and the strikes have been gaining more coverage as Prince of Punjab said Dyaquna (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do find it perplexing that the article focuses on the murder rather than the protests themselves. Most of the article's prose cover the protests. I understand they were much larger (early returns, granted), but wouldn't an incident such as the Mahsa Amini protests inform precedent on article focus here? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability A countrywide medical strike seems to me to be notable enough. However, the lead could be significantly improved, and the article could better explain whether or not the strike is still ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

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RD: Daniela Larreal

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Article: Daniela Larreal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario de la Americas News.com.au
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Article updated
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Venezuelan cyclist; death announced on this date. Kingsif (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Prose has less than 150 words, needs a lot of expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 15:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Expanded beyond stub, and I have included several older sources but am still looking for more behind the obits. So far, looks like she got more attention for politics than sports (Venezuela), but there should be some sources on e.g. her cycling World Cup wins. Kingsif (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Scott Bloomquist

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Article: Scott Bloomquist (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, CNN
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Article updated
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American dirt track racing driver. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DB7:B240:8923:9CF9 (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple orange tags that needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 15:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Afa Anoaʻi

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Article: Afa Anoaʻi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer-Figure Four Online, WWE
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Article updated
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Samoan pro wrestler, one half of the Wild Samoans. Article is actually pretty solid quality/citation-wise for a wrestling bio. The Kip (contribs) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Lansing (journalist)

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Article: John Lansing (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
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Former CEO of NPR and chief of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM

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Paetongtarn Shinawatra
Article: Paetongtarn Shinawatra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support merger pre above Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull - Posting this was premature. She hasn't yet been formally appointed prime minister. [20] estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The King has officially appointed her as Prime Minister. [21] Tofusaurus (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
U.S. results are regularly posted before a formal presidential inauguration. Let's be consistent, one way or another.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 15

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August 15, 2024 (2024-08-15) (Thursday)

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(Ready) RD: Charis Eng

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Article: Charis Eng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PTEN Research, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Credits:

Article updated
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SpencerT•C 00:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jack Russell (musician)

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Article: Jack Russell (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
Credits:

Article updated
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American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a large number of unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System

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Trivia, WP:SNOW close. The Kip (contribs) 20:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chicxulub crater (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [22]
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Peter Marshall

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Article: Peter Marshall (entertainer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Greg Kihn

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Article: Greg Kihn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON 4
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Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per usual. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose multiple cn tags and many paragraphs ending without a footnote. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lasse Björn

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Article: Lasse Björn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
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Article updated
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Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Public Data breach

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Article: National Public Data (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. (Post)
News source(s): (CBS News)
Credits:

Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The agency has confirmed the breech but keep in mind, this is 2.9 billion records which is not yet known how many people that actually is, since there can be multiple records per person. Further, the article itself is still far too short for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 11:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway,   weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The breach has been confirmed by National Public Data. The leaked information is confirmed to include "name, email address, phone number, social security number, and mailing address(es)", but the scale of the breach (i.e. the figure of 2.7-2.9 billion) has not yet been specified or acknowledged. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

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August 14, 2024 (2024-08-14) (Wednesday)

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RD: Gena Rowlands

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Article: Gena Rowlands (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wrap
Credits:

Article updated
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Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raising at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Curbon7 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose outstanding number of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak

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Article: African mpox epidemic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
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Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM

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Thavisin in 2023
Article: Srettha Thavisin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters CNN
Credits:

Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it's a change in head of government.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:

Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.

Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe a
Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 13

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August 13, 2024 (2024-08-13) (Tuesday)

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  • Ford and Mazda issue warnings to owners of over 475,000 vehicles with Takata airbag inflators, cautioning them of the possibility for the inflators to explode with metal shrapnel. (AP)

(Posted) RD: Dan Dorazio

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Article: Dan Dorazio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dignity Memorial, SI, MooseJawToday
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Article updated
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks in a good shape to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wally Amos

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Article: Wally Amos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
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Founder of Famous Amos cookie company. Host of the PBS television show Learn to Read. Thriley (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support nothing major holding the article back. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ Talk 14:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Alatorre

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Article: Richard Alatorre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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Former Los Angeles councilman. 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk)

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