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edit- Clete Patterson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage from secondary sources. A redirect to 1924 Kenosha Maroons season may be preferred as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, American football, Ohio, and Wisconsin. Let'srun (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- 1918 Georgia Eleventh Cavalry football team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage. A before search only came up with some passing mentions. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Georgia (U.S. state). Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Article only seems to exist on a cookie-cutter "all teams who played a recognised college football game shall have a season article in this format" basis. But as a once-off game by a non-college with no other football history, its season performance is not a topic which meets GNG. Aspirex (talk) 22:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to 1918 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado football team#Georgia Eleventh Cavalry. The cited sources don't satisfy WP:GNG. My search turned up some better coverage of the cavalry team (e.g., here and here), but it's the result of having played a single game against the defending national champion -- and losing by a massive score. The 123-0 score is one of the biggest points differentials in college football history (despite being stopped after the third quarter) and is somewhat notable for that fact. See List of 100-point games in college football. That said, the game is covered at the proposed redirect location and can be covered in greater depth there should anyone decide to expand that discussion. Cbl62 (talk) 10:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
That is a valid outcome as well,as long as there is a sentence at the target which says "This was 11th Cavalry's only game of the season" or words to that effect (I.e. so the target paragraph does explain the 11C's entire season) Aspirex (talk) 11:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am not aware of a reliable source stating that it was 11C's only game of the season. That may be true, but without a reliable source, I wouldn't be inclined to add it. Redirect seems like the best outcome with or without such a sentence. Cbl62 (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case, I retract my support for redirect and revert to delete only. If "1918 IIC football team" redirects to the summary of a single game, any reader would reasonably infer that this was the team's only game. If we don't have the WP:V to say that, then I'm equally opposed to this as a redirect. Aspirex (talk) 00:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retract away, but redirect is clearly a better option and WP:ATD for anyone searching for information on this team. Your preferred solution gives the reader "zip, zero, nada" whereas a redirect takes the reader to a substantive discussion of the only known game. Cbl62 (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- 1918 college football season#Independents is a better target. Aspirex (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case, I retract my support for redirect and revert to delete only. If "1918 IIC football team" redirects to the summary of a single game, any reader would reasonably infer that this was the team's only game. If we don't have the WP:V to say that, then I'm equally opposed to this as a redirect. Aspirex (talk) 00:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am not aware of a reliable source stating that it was 11C's only game of the season. That may be true, but without a reliable source, I wouldn't be inclined to add it. Redirect seems like the best outcome with or without such a sentence. Cbl62 (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with a redirect. What is interesting to note here though is that this wasn't even the biggest blowout for Georgia Tech this season. Let'srun (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed. They had three games in which they outscored opponents by a total of 369-0! Cbl62 (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- List of NCAA Division I FCS football independents records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A consensus emerged at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division III independents football records that a list like this fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY, because this is a group of loosely-related teams that are not in conferences. A merge to a different article would also be difficult for undue weight issues, as expressed in the previous AfD. A similar AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division II independents football records) resulted in a soft deletion. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, and Lists. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why don't we just merge all these into a List of NCAA football independents records? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP per WP:PURPLIST, this list is "a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists." For decades, newspapers that report conference football standings across the United States routinely also have listed the standings of non-conference independent teams. This has long been a very common way for the press to provide this information. This concept was not invented on Wikipedia. Jeff in CA (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also WP:NOTSTATS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lists of standings of win-loss records are not statistics, because win-loss records are not statistics. Jeff in CA (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject fails to meet the WP:NLIST due to the records not being covered as a topic in secondary sources. Let'srun (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- FCS Independents college football standings are covered as a topic in secondary sources, for example, here ("FCS Independents, Standings"), here, here, here and here (scroll down). Jeff in CA (talk) 20:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- List of Michigan Wolverines football trainers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article fails WP:NLIST. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, American football, and Michigan. Shellwood (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In the early years of Michigan football, the trainers played an incredibly important role, akin to coaches. Michigan retained some of the outstanding figures in sports to fill the role. E.g., Mike Murphy, Edward Moulton, Keene Fitzpatrick, Alvin Kraenzlein, Stephen Farrell, and Archie Hahn. The list serves a valid navigational role among and between these major figures. Cbl62 (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: "Akin to coaches"; they ARE assistant coaches, and that in itself is not notable enough to garner their standalone list. The information in the article is already in the trainers' standalone articles. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- you misunderstand the role of trainers, especially in the 19th century. Yes the biographical info is a short form of what’s in each bio, and that’s as it should be — the individual bios are the main repositories and this list serves as an overview and navigation aide. Cbl62 (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, appears to fail WP:NLIST. I could not find anything that discussed Michigan trainers as a group. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Unable to find any coverage from reliable third party sources discussing this grouping to meet the WP:NLIST or WP:GNG. While the trainers might be individually notable, it doesn't equate to notability as a list. Let'srun (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; no indication that this satisfies WP:NLIST as requested by the nomination, namely
discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources
. I spent some time searching and came up empty-handed in this endeavor. Left guide (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC) - Final note: I know that page views are an argument we're not supposed to make, but this article has been viewed almost 5,000 times in the last nine years and is the only connective tissue we have between such major sports figures as Mike Murphy, Edward Moulton, Keene Fitzpatrick, Alvin Kraenzlein, Stephen Farrell, and Archie Hahn. The votes so far ignore that lists are allowed where they serve a useful navigational function. See WP:NLIST ("Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability."). Cbl62 (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62's reasoning. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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