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Articles for deletion/REM (Real Estate Magazine)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Couldn't find any significant coverage of the magazine at all. An AfD closed as no consensus in 2009 but there was no actual evidence as to how this meets GNG/NCORP. Nothing has changed since then. C F A 💬 16:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Well, they've suspended publication [1].. This appears to be a trade publication, which generally can't be used for establishing notability; I can't find anything else about this publication in other media. It all hits on the American band of the same name. I wonder if Kenneth has found that frequency yet... Regardless, nothing for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of LAM Mozambique Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is supposed to be a list of place LAM flew to in February 2021, but instead is largely a list of places that LAM wasn't flying to in February 2021, as is indicated by the majority of them being listed as "terminated". Without these the list would be quite short and redundant given the coverage already on the LAM Mozambique Airlines page. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly to.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO. The listing also includes original research since services are claimed to have been terminated or still operated in February 2021 without any source explicitly saying so, based on comparison of decades-old timetables.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is sourced entirely to the company website, press releases, old LAM timetables, the Aeroroutes.com blog, and old copies of Flight International's world airline directory. The website and other company publications are clearly not independent of the topic, nor is the directory since it was written entirely using material from the airline. Additionally the directory simply listed the details of every airline regardless of notability making it an indiscriminate source, the equivalent of a Yellow Pages listing. Finally Flight International is trade-press coverage and the listing of destinations provided in it is not significant coverage since it is a single-paragraph bare listing without commentary. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present FOARP (talk) 12:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:IINFO. The current destinations are just the airline's route map in list form. In addition I see no need to record every single city this airline has ever flown to. By contrast the parent article does a nice job of discussing the evolution of LAM's route network over the decades.
Regarding original research, I'm not entirely sure it's present. I think the idea is if a destination appears in an old route map but not in the current one, that means it was terminated. So technically you would have to cite both route maps and expect the reader to infer what you mean. I guess that would be considered OR, but for me the larger issue is that a list of every destination in history is a case of IINFO. Sunnya343 (talk) 03:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jogeshwari Misal

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This is a contested draftification. The subject fails to meet the notability guideline for companies; the cited sources are not reliable, and I have not found any promising sources after a quick search. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @TechnoSquirrel69 actually, I reviewed this article, as it is from the same region I belong to, I found information mentioned in article is valid. I saw notice above this article and want to contribute in this article if it is helpful. Krishna Nimbalkar (talk) 10:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Krishna Nimbalkar: Feel free to contribute to the article if it interests you, but I want to note that this is not an issue of the information's validity but of the subject's notability. We need multiple reliable sources that have significant coverage of the subject in order to determine that it is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 13:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It does not meet WP:NORG. The references are either primary sources, or passing and extremely brief mentions on independent sources. In other words, it's just another restaurant chain. Ira Leviton (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vibra Bank

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Does not appear to have been a notable bank. Was acquired by a bank which doesn't have an article, so it cannot be merged. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It has to go per nom. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources found to meet notability guidlines. ````

List of Czech Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Czech Airlines wasn't flying to in February 2024, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Czech Airlines only flew to four destinations in February 2024, all of which are already mentioned on the Czech Airlines page, making this page redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical sourcing for that (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) - Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely sourced to old timetables published by the airline (e.g., this one), or to the company website, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business, particularly if they're about to cease conducting business! The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92^Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This airline literally only flew to four destinations "As of February 2024". What is the point of listing places it possibly used to fly to at some point, but didn't fly to in Feb 2024, based on original research in primary sources? If the answer is "because of historical importance", then where are the historians covering this topic? PS - see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Air Malta destinations which recently closed as delete, which also covered an airline whose destinations were all "terminated", and where you made substantially the same arguments. FOARP (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To expand on the WP:OR issue discussed above, take the listing of Tirana as a "Terminated" destination on this page. This is cited to a 1966 pamphlet issued by the airline, but that surely doesn't support a claim that the destination was "terminated" in February 2024? In fact there's no way to reach that conclusion with this data, because even if Tirana isn't included in Czech Airlines' current services, there's a bunch of different reasons why that might be so that don't involve them previously having gone there but now having terminated the service, including errors in the original claim (or the later claim that they don't fly there), Tirana having been a destination they planned to go to but never went to, Tirana being part of a wider network, and the flight still being operated.

In fact, according to the airline website, Czech Airlines do still fly to Tirana.

Now this might seem like a minor, one-off error, but in fact this entire list was largely assembled using the same approach of synthesising primary sources to reach a conclusion that they don't actually support. Moreover this is repeated across the entire corpus of airline-destination articles as a whole. FOARP (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Aeromar destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Aeromar wasn't flying to in January 2023, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Since all of the destinations that were active in January 2023 are mentioned on the Aeromar page, this page is redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) interest for that.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is entirely sourced either to the company website or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOT. Orientls (talk) 15:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In concurrence with the nominator's assessment. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Just a note that this article, too, is basically original research. Take the statement that the service to Flores, Guatemala is "Terminated". This is cited to an October 2021 article on the www.transponder1200.com blog discussing future plans to start flights to Flores. Presumably, Flores was listed as terminated by Aeromar as of January 2023 because that destination wasn't listed on Aeromar's website. The problem here is that there's no evidence that Aeromar actually ever flew to Flores, the conclusion that they did but then the service was cancelled is simply a synthesis of low-quality primary sources or exactly the kind excluded by WP:NOT. This kind of issue affects most listings on this page, and indeed every airline-destination article. FOARP (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RMA Gold Airways

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I am nominating the Wikipedia article on RMA Gold Airways for deletion because it violates several key Wikipedia policies, particularly those related to notability, verifiability, and neutrality. RMA Gold Airways never operated any aircraft, had no crew, and failed to launch its proposed services, meaning it did not achieve any significant presence or impact in the aviation industry. According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, a subject must receive significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources to merit an article, which this airline lacks. The article relies primarily on newspaper sources that provide speculative and critical commentary, with some citations explicitly referring to the airline as "pretend." This raises concerns about verifiability and neutrality, as the article gives undue weight to an entity that never existed in a functional capacity.

Furthermore, retaining this article violates Wikipedia's What Wikipedia is not policy, specifically the sections that prohibit hosting content about subjects that do not meet notability criteria and that function as promotion. The article presents unverified and speculative content, making it more akin to advertising for an unrealised venture rather than an encyclopaedic entry. By not deleting this article, Wikipedia risks breaching its own policies designed to maintain the quality and reliability of its content. Therefore, I recommend that the article be deleted. Ansett (talk) 23:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. While it does have some issues with notability, it's hardly a promotion. The proposed airline has been out of business for over a decade, and this article pretty much reflects what information already exists outside of Wikipedia, which has been reported in reliable sources. Unexpectedinquisition (talk) 08:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trotter Museum-Gallery

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Hyper-local museum that is local and about local things. Since it's an article about a company or organization, the relevant guideline for evaluation is WP:NCORP which this article does not sufficiently pass, especially on the lack of significant independent reliable coverage in media beyond the local audience base. Graywalls (talk) 14:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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* Delete. Not notable. Article was set up by a now-blocked user who recently commented as follows on his talk page: "Yes, I set the Notability bar lower because I think certain people and places need recognition" [2]. That says it all, when something in his local area isn't notable, he sets up a Wikipedia article to give them more recognition. Cart before horse. Fortunately, it isn't Greg Henderson who "sets the notability bar" on Wikipedia. Axad12 (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Axad12:, the nomination isn't based on who created the article, but based on having the appearance of creation of a non-notable local feature.Having said that, this article isn't Greg related. Graywalls (talk) 22:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed; Greg never touched this article. That's why it's usually best to stay focused on sources and notability guidelines in AfD discussions. Left guide (talk) 23:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Axad12, did you look closely at this article and its page history? Do you want to rethink your "vote"? The page creator is not blocked. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My error here was an exceptionally stupid and incompetent one for which there can be no excuses. I have struck my vote in its entirety. My apologies. Axad12 (talk) 04:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Hi, I wrote this article. I am not related to Trotter's Museum. The Trotter Museum primarily focuses on early California art, particularly paintings. These artworks are created by renowned artists whose works are sold at auction houses for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Therefore, it's inaccurate to claim that the museum is hyper-local. The article includes links to these artists, making it easy to verify that they are not local. For example, Granville Redmond, a deaf painter, is represented in the museum and is a beloved figure in the deaf community. Charlton Fortune is one of the most important American Impressionists. The museum features these paintings as part of its permanent collection, unlike the Monterey Museum of Art (which has early California art but does not have it in their permanent exhibit). There are numerous books that mention Trotter's Museum and Gallery contributions, including prominent works by Scott Shields, the director of the Crocker Art Museum in Sacramento, which I referenced in the Wikipedia article. These are nationally recognized publications.Puncinus (talk) 01:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Puncinus:, do you mind naming three best sources you believe to confer the notability of this company so other editors don't have to go through so many sources? If the subject is notable, there should be 2-3 sources that demonstrate the notability. Because this is a company, it is expected to be able to meet WP:NCORP standards with WP:ORGIND and WP:AUD in mind. A whole bunch of shallow/insignificant coverages can not substitute for in depth, significant coverage on the subject in order to demonstrate notability just like you can't substitute twenty 0.05 carat diamond for a 1 carat diamond. Graywalls (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.e-digitaleditions.com/i/784242-winter-2017/203? this is substantive coverage (1 carat diamond) Puncinus (talk) 16:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/question I can find no sourcing outside of Wiki mirrors, which is odd because there should be some sourcing including the Shields ones currently referenced. Was it known under other names besides the Trotters' antique shop? Clearly not passing N:ORG at the moment but wonder if something we're missing so not !voting as of yet. Star Mississippi 01:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete based on the sources identified at bottom. Unfortunately inventories and auction sales together with publications by the gallery aren't enough. I don't have time during this run but if I find sourcing later I'm going to work on this in draft space since it should be notable.
Star Mississippi 11:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice that you examine in full what I wrote. This article https://www.e-digitaleditions.com/i/784242-winter-2017/203? is not auction sale or inventory. Also, I linked an interview. I also provided references to 23 books in which the gallery is mentioned in such a way that it is clear that it is notable nationally. There is more sources if one googles "Trotter Galleries", or use google books and google scholar. I provided list of some of them. All of it establishes notability. 16:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)~

You are mistaken that there is no sourcing. Trotter Gallery is mentioned in numerous books about early California paintings and travel guides. Here is a partial list (at the end of the reference I added how it is quoted in the text):

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Patricia Trenton, Sandra D'Emilio. Independent Spirits: Women Painters of the American West. University of California Press, 1995. - Trotter Galleries, Carmel.

Steven A. Nash, Bill Berkson, Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco. Facing Eden: 100 Years of Landscape Art in the Bay Area. University of California Press, 1995. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove.

Scott A. Shields. Artists at Continent's End: The Monterey Peninsula Art Colony, 1875-1907. Crocker Art Museum, 2006. - Terry and Paula Trotter of Trotter Galleries.

EC Pennington. A Southern Collection. Morris Museum of Art, 1992. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, California.

WS Morris. A Southern Collection. Morris Museum of Art, 1993. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, California.

Nick Kanas. Star Maps: History, Artistry, and Cartography. Springer, 2019. - Trotter Galleries in Carmel and Pacific Grove, CA.

Lora Ann Sigler. Clothes Make the Character: The Role of Wardrobe in Early. McFarland, 2021. - Trotter Galleries.

Art of California, Vol. 4, Issues 1-2, 1991. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, CA.

Worth, Vol. 17, Issues 1-6, 2008. - Trotter Galleries, CA.

Antiques, Vol. 158, 2000. - Trotter Galleries.

Monterey Life, Vol. 10, Issues 7-12, 1989. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, CA.

Collector's Guide, Vol. 14, No. 1, 2000. - Trotter Galleries.

Wendy Van Wyck Good. Sisters in Art: The Biography of Margaret, Esther, and Helen. Prospect Hill Press, 2021. - Trotter Galleries.

Nancy M. Evans, Neil A. Evans. Exploring the Monterey Peninsula: Big Sur, Carmel, Monterey. John Muir Publications, 1994. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, CA.

Peter Hiller. Life and Times of Jo Mora: Iconic Artist of the American West. Gibbs Smith, 2021. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, CA.

Art Now Gallery Guide, Vol. 8, Issues 4-6, 1988. - Trotter Galleries, Pacific Grove, CA.

Nancy Dustin Wall Moure, Historical Collections Council. Historical Collections Council Newsletters: January 1999-May 2006. Historical Collections Council, 2006. - Trotter Galleries, Carmel.

Phil Kovinick, Marian Yoshiki-Kovinick. An Encyclopedia of Women Artists of the American West. University of Texas Press, 1998. - Trotter Galleries, Carmel, CA.

SA Shields. Legends of Bohemia: The Monterey Peninsula and its Early Art Colony, 1875–1907. 2004. - Terry and Paula Trotter of Trotter Galleries.

Nick Kanas. Terrestrial and Celestial Pictorial Maps. In Star Maps: History, Artistry, and Cartography. Springer, 2019. - Trotter Galleries, Carmel and Pacific Grove, CA.

SA Shields, J Burton-Carvajal. Will Sparks: California's Mission Painter. tfaoi.org. - Trotter Galleries.

E Kornhauser, S Vittoria, RJ Geary. Jules Tavernier and the Elem Pomo. Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2021. - Trotter Galleries.

S Landauer, WH Gerdts, P Trenton. The Not-so-still Life: A Century of California Painting and Sculpture. University of California Press, 2003. - Trotter Galleries.

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@Puncinus, could you please identify the three BEST independent secondary reliable sources that provide SIG COV, along with links? That would really help. Significant coverage ABOUT the museum-gallery is needed, not just mentions, or sources that are about the artists or others affiliated with the institution. For example, fully independent newspaper articles, academic journal articles, magazine articles, book chapters, etc. that provide in-depth coverage about the museum gallery itself. Thanks in advance, Netherzone (talk) 21:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I googled "Trotter Galleries", and pursued "google books" and "google scholar". There are no articles in the New York Times or LA times. But the gallery is clearly prominent in the Early California art. For example:

Smithsonian Institution (Smithsonian American Art Museum): The Smithsonian Institution catalogs some of the paintings from the Trotter Museum. Example: Smithsonian Art Inventories Catalog https://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!406485!0 https://americanart.si.edu/research/inventories

Auction House Sales Christie’ and Bonham's: Paintings from Trotter Galleries' collections have been sold and bought through Christie’s and Bonham's auction houses (google "providence Trotter Galleries")

There are publications by Trotter Galleries related to Early California paintings. One example (they can be examined in WorldCat book catalogue): Early Visions IV: American and California Art from the 19th and Early 20th Centuries; Selected Works from the Collection of Trotter Galleries

Here is a link to open publication which I used in my Wikipedia article https://www.e-digitaleditions.com/i/784242-winter-2017/203? https://carmelmagazine.com/archive/20su/capturing-california-with-a-creative-eye

Here is an interview with Trotter https://www.facebook.com/montereyart.org/videos/557807865598244/

From the 23 references I provided previously one can see that paintings from their collection were exhibited in major California museums such as, for example, Crocker Art Museum in Sacramento. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puncinus (talk • contribs)

None of the above confer notability. The Smithsonian catalog is not independent, nor are the auction house listings, nor are the publications by the Trotter Gallery, nor is Facebook a reliable source and interviews are primary sources. The piece in Carmel Magazine seems like sponsored content / native advertising or an advertorial, especially since Trotter advertises in the magazine itself. The last part of the "article" is a clear "tell" that this is the case. Netherzone (talk) 02:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are 2 additional book quotes that establish national notability: [Missions of Will Spark, Santa Barbara Historical Museum, 2011, ISBN0970494092] ~"Trotter Galleries in Carmel and Pacific Grove, became involved early on in the rediscovery of California’s art heritage. In addition to collecting and dealing in artists of early California for over thirty years, they have also worked closely with numerous museums and institutions in promoting public appreciation of the role played by late 19th and early 20th-century artists in the evolution of California's rich cultural heritage.

[Osher Life Long Institute, California State University Monterey Bay, 2022], "Trotter Galleries has maintained its reputation as the preeminent source for collectors of works by prominent early California artists. Owners Terry and Paula are nationally known for their expertise in early California art and have been extensively involved in contributing to and sponsoring exhibitions of historical artwork."

Puncinus (talk) 03:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment above about your list of sources such as connected (non-independent) sources and unreliable sources like Facebook, and advertorial/native advertising as sources which are PR / PROMO, not serious journalism. Do you have links for these two book sources? The first sounds like an acknowledgement, the second sounds like PROMO. Without being able to read these in the context of the book, it's impossible to determine if they are coverage that would make a difference.

I'm a little confused why it's called a Museum-Gallery. It seems that Trotter is a commercial gallery owned by two people who have put up works from their own private collection for sale in their storefront for-profit gallery. I see from their website that they are affiliated with the Fine Art Dealers Association, but that would not make the enterprise a museum. I don't think a museum would have a link on their website like "Sell Your Art" with a list of artists with works for sale. Are they accredited as a museum or affiliated with a professional organization such as the AAM, or do they just call themselves a museum (even tho their website is called Trotter Galleries)? As a business, they would need to pass WP:NCORP criteria and WP:GNG for inclusion. Netherzone (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Goh

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:NAUTHOR, WP:NPROF and WP:GNG. I can't find a single reliable secondary source on him, and this version of the article (recreated in May 2024) is sourced only by press releases and the author's own works. I could find no independent reviews of any of his books in a WP:BEFORE search, and nothing remarkable about his academic career. His press releases say he was a visiting/emeritus professor at the now-defunct California International Business University in the US (which appears to have a been a visa mill), South-West State University in Russia, and an online outfit called "SABI University" in France which appears to be a degree mill.

Outcome of the last AFD was to draftify per creator's request in April 2019. The draft was abandoned, and deleted in March 2021. Editors searching for significant coverage, please note that there is an unrelated Singaporean film producer with this name, and an unrelated Malaysian athlete. Wikishovel (talk) 16:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find significant secondary coverage, all of the sources are either written by the subject or press releases. hinnk (talk) 03:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He seems to be a prolific writer of self-published books, which could be a claim to notability if we could find enough reliably-published reviews of them. But I didn't find any. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All books are self-published using Dorrance or Amazon. The articles in The Educator are not enough for author notability. I couldn't find any evidence of his books in library collections. Lamona (talk) 02:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Cubana de Aviación destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly,. are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is entirely sourced either to the company website or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability - indeed one is actually a link to what appears to be a review of the film Cars 3.

The overwhelming majority of destinations listed here are listed as "Terminated" so this list is also un-necessary, and already adequately covered by the sentence "Cubana operates flights to over 20 destinations in Cuba, Europe, the Caribbean, North, Central and South America" in the main article. To the extent that there is any encyclopaedic interest in Cubana's previous destinations, this is already covered by the page History of Cubana de Aviación. This page is therefore entirely redundant. FOARP (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, various WP:NOT violations. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As I said in other deletion discussions regarding airline destinations, in the case of mass removal of these articles I will quit Wikipedia for good. I have neither the time nor the will to discuss this over and over again.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:IINFO. As the flag carrier of Cuba, Cubana de Aviación certainly has a unique history, and it is entirely appropriate to discuss the development of its route network over time, which people have done in the parent article. What I cannot support is a list of every single city this airline has flown to since it was established almost a century ago. I see no need for us to document that at one point in its existence Cubana flew to some random destination that appears in its 1949 timetable. Such a list falls outside the scope of our encyclopedia.
As a side note the link mentioned above can be found in the Internet Archive where it leads to an article about Cubana flights to Martinique. Sunnya343 (talk) 01:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per repeated precedent. The closure of the most recent one I remember cited Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive296#Mass deletion of pages - question of protocol, Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 141#RFC: Should Wikipedia have lists of transportation service destinations?, Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 140#Should Wikipedia have and maintain complete lists of airline destinations?, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Airports/Archive 15#Request for comments on the Airlines and destinations tables and Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 187#RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles in determining that there is no consensus for deletion. In the AfD review the "no consensus" close was endorsed, a number of paths forward were suggested to those trying to delete these articles to establish a new consensus. Instead, it seems that these disruptive nominations are continuing. Worth noting that there was yet another discussion about Aeroflot destinations also earlier this year which resulted in keep. Do we have to keep doing this? Avgeekamfot (talk) 15:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The last ten AFDs on Airline destination lists have all closed as delete/merge (see here), and roughly 2/3rd of the Airline destination lists that were ever created (~300 out of ~470) have now been deleted. Well-attended AFDs included this one deleting 120 airline destination articles and this one deleting 82 airline destination articles. One of these deletion discussions was also endorsed on review.

Moreover discussions about what lists to include on Airport articles are pretty irrelevant to an article that is not an Airport article, and a no-consensus close cannot be used to assert a consensus in favour of any particular outcome. FOARP (talk) 09:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This article includes the statement: "Frankfurt is currently a terminated destination for the airline". This appears to be based on a comparison of primary sources (a listing of destinations in the 1996 World Airline Directory - a sort of Yellow Pages for airlines, and a listing of destinations in a drop-down menu on the Cubana website from 2010). How is this kind of synthesis of primary sources to reach a conclusion that neither states not original research?

The reality is, this isn't a defensible statement, because there's a number of different explanations as to why an airline might have had a destination listed in a directory in 1996 but not be offering that service in 2010. These include an error in the original listing, the Frankfurt service being planned but never actually started, and the Frankfurt service still operating in 2010 but not being listed by mistake. Moreover since no date is given for the list, the implication is that this service is still not being offered now, when in reality we only know that it wasn't being offered in 2010 - and in reality Cubana are selling flights from Frankfurt on their website right now.

This kind of original research/verifiability problem is present throughout this corpus of articles. Indeed, the article under discussion is largely made up of services listed as "terminated" based on identically-flawed reasoning. FOARP (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Incident management (ITSM)

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the article sounds like a WP:DICTIONARY definition Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: with Incident management. Tule-hog (talk) 02:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Vĩnh Hòa

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All of the entries on this dab page are redlinks, apart from one to the Vĩnh Hòa, Nha Trang location. This disambiguation page does not list articles associated with the same title. It is effectively being used as a category page, ~~so it would be better converted to a category~~. Northernhenge (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete those red links will less likely to be created as it lacks notability or even mentioned in the articles per se so it clearly violates MOS:DABRL Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 12:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: DAB with one entry, nothing to DAB. I don't see any particular benefit to creating a category for this either. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: It is not a problem if dab page entries are red links, as long as they include one blue link to an article which mentions the topic. I've cleaned up this dab page, and the remaining red-linked communes are all mentioned in their district pages (though not sourced in most/all cases). For all I know this means "North area" or something similarly generic, but it seems useful to offer a dab page given that this placename is used for so many identifiable communes. It's now a properly formatted dab page with valid entries. PamD 08:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks – I can see now that wp:PRIMARYRED could apply. I’ve added a link to Vĩnh Hòa, An Giang. I see there are other articles for similarly names places, for example
but it would need a native speaker or subject expert to say whether or not they are the same name, and whether (as PamD says) the name is significant in itself. I still think a category would be a better way of grouping these together though via their larger province areas, given the unlikelihood of notability being established for each individual commune/ward. The articles we do have pretty much just say the places exist. --Northernhenge (talk) 10:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you mean, as you can't have red linked entities in a category. You wouldn't want a category of "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa". Given that these all get a mention on their district page, it seems a useful and correct dab page. PamD 10:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You wouldn't want a category of "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa" – True! --Northernhenge (talk) 11:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Northernhenge I still don't understand what you meant when you said a category would be a better way of grouping these together though via their larger province areas. Could you clarify? PamD 12:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would have resembled "Districts which include a commune called Vinh Hoa" which, now I’ve seen it written down, doesn’t look sensible. --Northernhenge (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And as you suggest, those of us who aren't familiar with Vietnamese have no right to make assumptions as to whether these other places are the same or different - but I've recently almost confused placenames Unsworth and Usworth in my own country, so there's no reason to suppose that they are the same. Best left well alone, as long as dab pages are correctly formatted and we don't have red links without a mention in a blue-linked article. PamD 10:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Vietnamese vi:Vĩnh_Hòa_(định_hướng) has 14 blue links, of which 4+2 seem substantial (non-stub) articles. These are not the usual dab redlinks because of non-notability, but because of language barrier and (deemed) low importance for en-wiki. But that's not the problem of the Dab page, so I appeal to WP:IAR in this case. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a Disamb page it may required cleanup but not a goog idea to delete. 2402:AD80:A1:8D76:1:0:E275:1FDD (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]